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Thursday, October 09, 2008

No pain, no gain??

Steve Tuttle, Director of Communications, Taser International: "It doesn't hurt ... Don't get me wrong, it's uncomfortable. It kind of feels like hitting your funny bone 18 times per second throughout your whole body."

Tom Smith, Chairman and CEO, Taser International: likened the jolt of electricity to hitting your funny bone, times 20. “It’s certainly not a pleasent experience, but you're very aware of what’s going on."

Police Officer Wynn Robison, Rexburg, Idaho: "It's a very intense pain. I never want to do that again."

Joe Diaz, attorney representing tasee Timothy Beck: "The Taser was the most excruciating pain he ever felt in his life."

Mike Todd, the Chief Constable of Greater Manchester Police: “I couldn’t move. It hurt like hell.”

Paul Kennedy, Commission for Public Complaints Against the RCMP: "This device causes intense pain."

Alan J. Keays, reporter for the Times-Argus (Vermont): "My hands were sweating and I'm told my face turned extremely pale moments before I endured my most painful experience yet as a reporter ... All I could see was red, and the pain was like an extreme migraine headache and how I imagine a whack in the back with a baseball bat would feel."

Amnesty International: "Taser fires 50,000 volts of electricity through the subject, causing collapse, intense pain and loss of control of their bodily functions."

United Nations Committee Against Torture: "The use of these weapons causes acute pain, constituting a form of torture."


Excited-Delirium.com said...

It has already been established that to achieve muscle incapacitation with electrical cuurent, you have to go well past pain and get too damn close to death.

How much above the pain threshold?

About 2000 times.



The fact that the taser was designed to incapacitate using the wires and darts, clearly indicates that it is legally and ethically and medically inappropriate to also use it for Pain Compliance where the pain is strictly limited to "reasonable".

2000 times above intense is clearly not reasonable.

Police are liable for violating the international prohibition against Torture.

And Taser should be liable for selling Torture Equipment.

LuvzTaser said...

It's not that bad... I've got hit with 110V out of a wall-socket, and that's way worse than the Taser. It's not supposed to feel good... if you get hit with a Taser, you weren't being compliant and were a danger to yourself or society. I'd take a Taser over a broken bone from getting hit with a night stick any day. At least the pain is temporary... broken bones hurt for the rest of your life, especialy when it rains.

Excited-Delirium.com said...

Luvztaser, many errors in your knowledge...

Most times when people get a tingle from a 120 volt socket, they are not connected to the circuit with a complete path across the chest. Most often they touch the wire with one finger, the current path has to be completed via the feet, through the poorly conducting shoes or socks, flooring material, all the way to ground.

If you were to get the 120 volts AC wired up across the chest just like the dart-deployment mode of a taser, then there is a very good chance that you would die a painful death by electrocution.

Taser claims a safety margin, but a review of the bell curves indicates that a certain death rate may be assumed.

Now with respect to "being compliant"...

No matter what law you point to such as 'failing to obey' a police officer, those laws have punishments assigned in law. None of them have torture by electrocution listed as a punishment, and not even the courts would be permitted to torture a person for 'force' (verb) them to be compliant.

Your views of "being compliant" are exactly those that would be true in a police state.

There is a recent post on my blog Excited-Delirium.com (don't forget the dash) where the basics of this issue are laid out.

The fact that you would hold these views is frightening. Do we live in a police state? Is passive resistance now grounds for a near-death street level torture session?

Do we still need the courts? Why? The police can march around town handing out taser-torture punishment for being non-compliant?

Your views about 'being compliant' are far more evil and insidious than you may realize.